Cardiogenic shock by its self doesnt all the time lead to stages of hypovolemic shock
but if a heart disease for ex. leads to massive reduction in COP it can lead to hypovolemia
maybe even an anaphylactic shock ( lyk histamine of ex. ) can lead to a hypovolemic shock in case it opens the pre capillary sphincters and diminshes the blood from the vessels leading to loss of effective blood volume --- hypovolemia
even a syndrome of septic shock - i mean 1. systemic vasodailation , 2. diminshed COP , 3. widespread endothelial injury can also lead to hypovolemia via these 3 mechanisms
weither actual loss of volume lyk bleeding or only decreased effective volume lyk for ex. due to peripheral VD in syndrome of septic shock
some for ex. say that a cardiogenic shock is a hypovolemic shock + heart disease
BUT WHEN I SAY REVERSALBE ( COMPENSATORY ) OR IRREVERSALBE ( INCOMPENSATORY ) THEN THIS IS ONLY HYPOVOLEMIC STAGES
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its not complicated at all
all u need to remember : loss of perfusion and decreased effective COP
again , decreased effective COP can b due to for ex. heart failure -- decreased COP , or maybe excessive bleeding -- decreased VR ( venous return ) --- decreased COP
مشكور.
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سؤال محيرني:
الصدمة العكوسة و غير العكوسة شكلين منفصلين
ولا مراحل متتالية؟
و هنن غير المعاوضة و غير المعاوضة ,ماهيك؟؟
if u mean reversable and irreversable shock then these are stages of hypovolemic shock not cardiogenic shock
المهم أنهن مراحل
لأنو عتبك على بعض المصادر اللي علمتنا ياهن أشكال الصدمة
طيب و المعاوضة وغير المعاوضة(compensatory and incompensatory)؟
let me form wat i said in other words :
Cardiogenic shock by its self doesnt all the time lead to stages of hypovolemic shock
but if a heart disease for ex. leads to massive reduction in COP it can lead to hypovolemia
maybe even an anaphylactic shock ( lyk histamine of ex. ) can lead to a hypovolemic shock in case it opens the pre capillary sphincters and diminshes the blood from the vessels leading to loss of effective blood volume --- hypovolemia
even a syndrome of septic shock - i mean 1. systemic vasodailation , 2. diminshed COP , 3. widespread endothelial injury can also lead to hypovolemia via these 3 mechanisms
wat is the 1st sentc in this pic ?
decreased perfusion = decreased blood volume = hypovolemia
weither actual loss of volume lyk bleeding or only decreased effective volume lyk for ex. due to peripheral VD in syndrome of septic shock
some for ex. say that a cardiogenic shock is a hypovolemic shock + heart disease
BUT WHEN I SAY REVERSALBE ( COMPENSATORY ) OR IRREVERSALBE ( INCOMPENSATORY ) THEN THIS IS ONLY HYPOVOLEMIC STAGES
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its not complicated at all
all u need to remember : loss of perfusion and decreased effective COP
again , decreased effective COP can b due to for ex. heart failure -- decreased COP , or maybe excessive bleeding -- decreased VR ( venous return ) --- decreased COP
its a network
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